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Aug 14 2023

tonic added a comment to D155081: Specify the developer policy around links to external resources.

@lattner Please review.

Aug 14 2023, 9:46 AM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project

Aug 3 2023

tonic added a comment to D156949: [lldb] Update LLDB Code Ownership.
Aug 3 2023, 11:24 AM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project

Aug 2 2023

tonic added a comment to D156949: [lldb] Update LLDB Code Ownership.

Since you are going to the effort of changing the CodeOwners file format from what is in LLVM, can you go ahead and add Discourse and Discord handles? It is often very helpful to tag someone on Discourse/Discord. I'll be proposing this change for LLVM soon.

Aug 2 2023, 6:13 PM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project

Jul 17 2023

tonic added a comment to D155081: Specify the developer policy around links to external resources.

As I mentioned on the Discourse thread, but if this policy change is made, there should be some discussion about if this applies retroactively. Making a note here, because it probably should be included in the changes to Developer Policy if the radar links are not removed but not allowed going forward.

Jul 17 2023, 12:58 PM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project

Jul 16 2023

tonic committed rWbd5e6fc9868f: Update LLVM Dev Mtg Dates on home page. (authored by tonic).
Update LLVM Dev Mtg Dates on home page.
Jul 16 2023, 4:25 PM · Restricted Project
tonic committed rW7b23ace957b4: Update redirect. (authored by tonic).
Update redirect.
Jul 16 2023, 4:06 PM · Restricted Project

Jul 14 2023

tonic committed rW144a224cb82a: Update links to current dev mtg. (authored by tonic).
Update links to current dev mtg.
Jul 14 2023, 2:26 PM · Restricted Project
tonic committed rWf0b19bf6acf2: Update dev mtg site to redirect to the event site. (authored by tonic).
Update dev mtg site to redirect to the event site.
Jul 14 2023, 2:26 PM · Restricted Project

Jul 7 2023

tonic committed rWae0a0b6dffd9: Fix url ref typo. (authored by tonic).
Fix url ref typo.
Jul 7 2023, 11:59 AM · Restricted Project
tonic committed rW81fd9a3122c3: Add posters. (authored by tonic).
Add posters.
Jul 7 2023, 11:59 AM · Restricted Project
tonic committed rWc6e978166923: Add slides and videos. (authored by tonic).
Add slides and videos.
Jul 7 2023, 11:59 AM · Restricted Project
tonic committed rW4f48cbcd3d8a: Add slides and videos. (authored by tonic).
Add slides and videos.
Jul 7 2023, 11:59 AM · Restricted Project

Jun 25 2023

tonic committed rW2e100564d91e: Add slides. (authored by tonic).
Add slides.
Jun 25 2023, 5:39 PM · Restricted Project
tonic committed rW429891b7ea45: Add slides for technical talks. (authored by tonic).
Add slides for technical talks.
Jun 25 2023, 5:36 PM · Restricted Project

Jun 21 2023

tonic committed rWbedc443c468b: Add quick talk slides (authored by tonic).
Add quick talk slides
Jun 21 2023, 5:18 PM · Restricted Project
tonic committed rWc54bc3a310f4: Add technical talk slides. (authored by tonic).
Add technical talk slides.
Jun 21 2023, 5:18 PM · Restricted Project

Jun 16 2023

tonic committed rW35d30b113749: LLVM Dev Mtg landing page. (authored by tonic).
LLVM Dev Mtg landing page.
Jun 16 2023, 1:35 PM · Restricted Project

May 29 2023

tonic committed rW1a17d2a89b7d: EuroLLVM Program. (authored by tonic).
EuroLLVM Program.
May 29 2023, 9:43 AM · Restricted Project

Apr 6 2023

mehdi_amini empowered tonic as an administrator.
Apr 6 2023, 11:08 AM

Apr 5 2023

tonic accepted D145480: [docs] Also mention Discord on Contributing.rst page.

LGTM

Apr 5 2023, 9:00 AM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project

Feb 8 2023

tonic committed rWe414918572ec: Add 2023 EuroLLVM info page. Update links on front page. (authored by tonic).
Add 2023 EuroLLVM info page. Update links on front page.
Feb 8 2023, 10:04 AM · Restricted Project

Jan 1 2023

tonic added a comment to D139184: [LLD][Windows]Feature "checksum" for Windows PE.

Looks good generally.

@tonic Does your veto still hold? Can we move ahead with this patch?

Jan 1 2023, 6:26 AM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project

Dec 26 2022

tonic committed rGbb778cf36da6: Commit changes to the Code of Conduct that make it more clear regarding… (authored by tonic).
Commit changes to the Code of Conduct that make it more clear regarding…
Dec 26 2022, 11:32 AM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project

Dec 24 2022

tonic added a comment to D139184: [LLD][Windows]Feature "checksum" for Windows PE.

I deem that it is impossible to leak source code because the "checksum" only occupies only a DWORD. If reviewers think there is no problem, please accept the patch so that I can submit this commit.

Dec 24 2022, 10:08 AM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project

Dec 23 2022

tonic added a comment to D139184: [LLD][Windows]Feature "checksum" for Windows PE.

Thanks so much for your patience. The concern was over the reference to leaked source code. This patch can be accepted assuming that no code was taken/copied from any copyrighted source.

Dec 23 2022, 9:35 AM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project

Dec 21 2022

tonic committed rW0f6723793ebe: Add slides for Community.o talks and LLVM Foundation Update. (authored by tonic).
Add slides for Community.o talks and LLVM Foundation Update.
Dec 21 2022, 12:00 PM · Restricted Project

Dec 8 2022

tonic committed rW1ff2377b4cd8: Remove video that needs to be fixed. Update link to correct Minotaur video. (authored by tonic).
Remove video that needs to be fixed. Update link to correct Minotaur video.
Dec 8 2022, 9:16 PM · Restricted Project
tonic committed rWd63d2f8aaf53: Use the right quote to fix URLs. (authored by tonic).
Use the right quote to fix URLs.
Dec 8 2022, 9:04 PM · Restricted Project
tonic committed rWb8bba904d89d: Fix typo in foundation URL. (authored by tonic).
Fix typo in foundation URL.
Dec 8 2022, 5:29 PM · Restricted Project
tonic added a comment to D139184: [LLD][Windows]Feature "checksum" for Windows PE.

Hello! Please hold off on approving this patch as its pending legal review. Thanks!

Dec 8 2022, 5:26 PM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project
tonic committed rWfbfee70ad6df: Add program and links to videos/slides. (authored by tonic).
Add program and links to videos/slides.
Dec 8 2022, 5:23 PM · Restricted Project
tonic committed rW10ed9f864d2d: Add LLVM Dev Mtg slides. (authored by tonic).
Add LLVM Dev Mtg slides.
Dec 8 2022, 4:59 PM · Restricted Project

Sep 20 2022

tonic accepted D128963: Add link to LLVM Community Calendar in left side-bar..
Sep 20 2022, 1:02 PM · Restricted Project
tonic updated subscribers of D132480: [llvm] Remove libcxx, libcxxabi and libunwind from supported LLVM_ENABLE_PROJECTS.

Adding @andreil99 as he can help with the sphinx docs.

Sep 20 2022, 11:53 AM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project, Restricted Project

Aug 30 2022

tonic committed rW60f54aff2e9a: Update CFP deadline. (authored by tonic).
Update CFP deadline.
Aug 30 2022, 12:27 AM · Restricted Project

Aug 29 2022

tonic added a comment to D132550: Changes to code ownership in clang and clang-tidy.

Moving to GitHub PRs is the path forward. Let's save ourselves some work and add GitHub usernames now.

Aug 29 2022, 10:25 PM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project, Restricted Project

Aug 18 2022

tonic added a comment to D132134: Add guidance for what to put in community calendar invites.

How about including an example?

Aug 18 2022, 7:15 AM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project

Aug 17 2022

tonic added a comment to D132018: [docs] Add LICENSE.txt to the root of the mono-repo.

This is a great idea, thank you for doing this. I think we should also point out the sublicenses that are not llvm licensed, e.g. we have a copy of PCRE, googletest etc, and should notify people about these things.

Aug 17 2022, 12:15 PM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project

Aug 15 2022

tonic committed rWab2fcfe3fbcc: Add link to registration. (authored by tonic).
Add link to registration.
Aug 15 2022, 1:15 PM · Restricted Project

Jul 29 2022

tonic committed rGa140f43431ce: Update references to mailing lists that have moved to Discourse. (authored by tonic).
Update references to mailing lists that have moved to Discourse.
Jul 29 2022, 3:57 PM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project
tonic added a comment to D66390: [PATCH] [llvm] [Support] Update license on ConvertUTF.* per upstream license change.

After legal consult, The LLVM Foundation board is ok with the change to the license on these files.

Jul 29 2022, 3:24 PM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project

Jul 28 2022

tonic committed rG520d29f38108: Update references to mailing lists that have moved to Discourse. (authored by tonic).
Update references to mailing lists that have moved to Discourse.
Jul 28 2022, 4:55 PM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project, Restricted Project, Restricted Project

Jul 22 2022

tonic committed rW2e390137dfbd: Add call for presentations, important dates, high level agenda. (authored by tonic).
Add call for presentations, important dates, high level agenda.
Jul 22 2022, 4:19 PM · Restricted Project
tonic committed rW640383acb1d8: Add call for presentations. (authored by tonic).
Add call for presentations.
Jul 22 2022, 11:21 AM · Restricted Project
tonic committed rWd68f79af30fc: Add link to video. (authored by tonic).
Add link to video.
Jul 22 2022, 10:40 AM · Restricted Project
tonic committed rG44f81dfba407: Remove references to old mailing lists that have moved to discourse. Replace… (authored by tonic).
Remove references to old mailing lists that have moved to discourse. Replace…
Jul 22 2022, 9:59 AM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project
tonic closed D129675: Remove references to old mailing lists that have moved to discourse. Replace with links to discourse..
Jul 22 2022, 9:59 AM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project, Restricted Project

Jul 20 2022

tonic added a comment to D129675: Remove references to old mailing lists that have moved to discourse. Replace with links to discourse..

I think these changes are pretty straight forward. If anyone wants to give the thumbs up, please do so. You don't need to be owners of the related websites/docs.

Jul 20 2022, 1:47 PM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project, Restricted Project

Jul 15 2022

tonic committed rW756af29d2677: Fix link to CoC. (authored by tonic).
Fix link to CoC.
Jul 15 2022, 2:27 PM · Restricted Project

Jul 13 2022

tonic requested review of D129675: Remove references to old mailing lists that have moved to discourse. Replace with links to discourse..
Jul 13 2022, 11:43 AM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project, Restricted Project

Jul 8 2022

tonic committed rGeb1ffd817c3c: Update references to Discourse instead of the mailing lists. (authored by tonic).
Update references to Discourse instead of the mailing lists.
Jul 8 2022, 11:17 AM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project
tonic closed D128766: Update references to Discourse instead of the mailing lists..
Jul 8 2022, 11:17 AM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project

Jul 1 2022

tonic updated the diff for D128766: Update references to Discourse instead of the mailing lists..

Fix typos.

Jul 1 2022, 3:22 PM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project

Jun 28 2022

tonic requested review of D128766: Update references to Discourse instead of the mailing lists..
Jun 28 2022, 3:08 PM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project

Jun 21 2022

tonic committed rW6a0da2c245a1: Update slides and videos. (authored by tonic).
Update slides and videos.
Jun 21 2022, 2:16 AM · Restricted Project

Jun 17 2022

tonic accepted D126954: More clearly document that the CoC applies to online sync-ups and office hours..

Looks good!

Jun 17 2022, 9:56 PM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project
tonic added a comment to D127852: [docs] Document and publish LLVM community calendar.

This can be another patch, but I would like to add a point of contact to all sync-ups for CoC purposes. This should also be included in the calendar notes. I'm happy to create the patch though.

Jun 17 2022, 9:55 PM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project

Jun 9 2022

tonic committed rW25e16699e8f5: Correct link for dev mtg. (authored by tonic).
Correct link for dev mtg.
Jun 9 2022, 11:05 PM · Restricted Project
tonic committed rWbf1b0d955500: Update meeting list with upcoming dev mtg. (authored by tonic).
Update meeting list with upcoming dev mtg.
Jun 9 2022, 11:02 PM · Restricted Project
tonic committed rW056f22c07457: Add US Dev Mtg dates. (authored by tonic).
Add US Dev Mtg dates.
Jun 9 2022, 10:58 PM · Restricted Project
tonic committed rWef2921742c89: Update meeting list with upcoming fall dev mtg, and move EuroLLVM to the past… (authored by tonic).
Update meeting list with upcoming fall dev mtg, and move EuroLLVM to the past…
Jun 9 2022, 10:58 PM · Restricted Project
tonic committed rW272e0627718b: Add starter page for US LLVM Dev Mtg. (authored by tonic).
Add starter page for US LLVM Dev Mtg.
Jun 9 2022, 10:58 PM · Restricted Project

Jun 7 2022

tonic committed rW7dc610445b52: Add links to slides and videos. (authored by tonic).
Add links to slides and videos.
Jun 7 2022, 10:58 PM · Restricted Project

Jun 5 2022

tonic committed rWfcd17b9d9534: Add EuroLLVM slides. (authored by tonic).
Add EuroLLVM slides.
Jun 5 2022, 11:54 AM · Restricted Project

May 19 2022

tonic committed rW2ce3792087ed: Fix up broken formatting. (authored by tonic).
Fix up broken formatting.
May 19 2022, 3:58 PM · Restricted Project

May 16 2022

tonic committed rWab952567cbff: Add the program in preparation of adding slides and videos. (authored by tonic).
Add the program in preparation of adding slides and videos.
May 16 2022, 6:48 PM · Restricted Project
tonic committed rW482480bf386b: Fix up some broken sections by adding end tags. (authored by tonic).
Fix up some broken sections by adding end tags.
May 16 2022, 6:48 PM · Restricted Project

May 2 2022

tonic committed rG751716bebd46: Add transparency report. (authored by tonic).
Add transparency report.
May 2 2022, 4:31 PM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project

Apr 29 2022

tonic committed rW8d89a4fed00c: Update sponsors. (authored by tonic).
Update sponsors.
Apr 29 2022, 6:27 PM · Restricted Project

Apr 26 2022

tonic committed rG6c1a0d5205f6: Consistently use the same apostrophe in these docs. (authored by tonic).
Consistently use the same apostrophe in these docs.
Apr 26 2022, 9:31 AM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project

Apr 25 2022

tonic committed rGeb2c30b8b357: Provide the complete response and reporting Code of Conduct documentation. (authored by tonic).
Provide the complete response and reporting Code of Conduct documentation.
Apr 25 2022, 11:04 PM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project
tonic closed D122937: Provide the complete response and reporting Code of Conduct documentation. Remove the word draft from all documents, add information about the CoC committee expectations and add a place for transparency reports..
Apr 25 2022, 11:03 PM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project
tonic updated the diff for D122937: Provide the complete response and reporting Code of Conduct documentation. Remove the word draft from all documents, add information about the CoC committee expectations and add a place for transparency reports..

Fix a couple typos.

Apr 25 2022, 10:37 PM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project

Apr 23 2022

tonic added a comment to D121078: Replace links to archived mailing lists by links to Discourse forums.

@tonic, can you please have another look?

If @tonic has any additional feedback, we can handle it post-commit at this point. I've gone ahead and committed this on your behalf in a749e3295df4aee18a0ad723875a6501f30ac744.

(Note, I can't close this review because of the "changes requested" state for tonic.)

Apr 23 2022, 10:56 AM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project, Restricted Project, Restricted Project, Restricted Project, Restricted Project, Restricted Project, Restricted Project, Restricted Project
tonic accepted D121078: Replace links to archived mailing lists by links to Discourse forums.
Apr 23 2022, 10:54 AM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project, Restricted Project, Restricted Project, Restricted Project, Restricted Project, Restricted Project, Restricted Project, Restricted Project
tonic added a comment to D122937: Provide the complete response and reporting Code of Conduct documentation. Remove the word draft from all documents, add information about the CoC committee expectations and add a place for transparency reports..

@hubert.reinterpretcast - Can you accept if you believe I have made all your requested changes?

Apr 23 2022, 10:51 AM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project
tonic updated the diff for D122937: Provide the complete response and reporting Code of Conduct documentation. Remove the word draft from all documents, add information about the CoC committee expectations and add a place for transparency reports..

Updating based upon reviewer feedback.

Apr 23 2022, 10:30 AM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project
tonic added inline comments to D122937: Provide the complete response and reporting Code of Conduct documentation. Remove the word draft from all documents, add information about the CoC committee expectations and add a place for transparency reports..
Apr 23 2022, 10:28 AM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project

Apr 22 2022

tonic added a comment to D122937: Provide the complete response and reporting Code of Conduct documentation. Remove the word draft from all documents, add information about the CoC committee expectations and add a place for transparency reports..

So sorry, I think my ResponseGuide changes got reverted. I am going through these again to make sure they actually got completed.

Apr 22 2022, 6:30 PM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project

Apr 21 2022

tonic added a comment to D77912: [builtins] Make __umodsi3/__udivdi3/__umoddi3 standalone (shift and subtract).

Unfortunately, this patch violates copyright of the The PowerPC Compiler Writer's Guide. Please revert this patch, remove the copyrighted code, and you can submit a new patch for the other changes. For future patches that use guides with copyright, please consult with the LLVM Foundation board before committing. Thank you!

If this request is related to "// Translated from Figure 3-40 of The PowerPC Compiler Writer's Guide" in the code, then I think it should apply to the very first commit
fd089990f76ec6392dbd0138ab874d90c632d2a4 (2009) by @ddunbar .

This patch merely copied this old comment. I don't think I am the appropriate one to take any action here.

Please also read the nature of the patch :)

My apologies for missing that. I will be creating a patch to remove this then and other references.

I believe that the comment may be referring to the algorithm rather than the implementation itself as the book provides assembly listings for PPC.

Apr 21 2022, 2:44 PM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project
tonic added a comment to D77912: [builtins] Make __umodsi3/__udivdi3/__umoddi3 standalone (shift and subtract).

Unfortunately, this patch violates copyright of the The PowerPC Compiler Writer's Guide. Please revert this patch, remove the copyrighted code, and you can submit a new patch for the other changes. For future patches that use guides with copyright, please consult with the LLVM Foundation board before committing. Thank you!

If this request is related to "// Translated from Figure 3-40 of The PowerPC Compiler Writer's Guide" in the code, then I think it should apply to the very first commit
fd089990f76ec6392dbd0138ab874d90c632d2a4 (2009) by @ddunbar .

This patch merely copied this old comment. I don't think I am the appropriate one to take any action here.

Please also read the nature of the patch :)

Apr 21 2022, 1:25 PM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project
Herald added a project to D77912: [builtins] Make __umodsi3/__udivdi3/__umoddi3 standalone (shift and subtract): Restricted Project.

Unfortunately, this patch violates copyright of the The PowerPC Compiler Writer's Guide. Please revert this patch, remove the copyrighted code, and you can submit a new patch for the other changes. For future patches that use guides with copyright, please consult with the LLVM Foundation board before committing. Thank you!

Apr 21 2022, 12:06 PM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project
tonic committed rW7816a1d96b97: Update EuroLLVM site with current information and fix sponsor logos. (authored by tonic).
Update EuroLLVM site with current information and fix sponsor logos.
Apr 21 2022, 10:55 AM · Restricted Project

Apr 19 2022

tonic added inline comments to D122937: Provide the complete response and reporting Code of Conduct documentation. Remove the word draft from all documents, add information about the CoC committee expectations and add a place for transparency reports..
Apr 19 2022, 10:09 AM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project
tonic added a comment to D122937: Provide the complete response and reporting Code of Conduct documentation. Remove the word draft from all documents, add information about the CoC committee expectations and add a place for transparency reports..

I'd like to get this finalized this week, so if past reviewers are happy, please accept.

Apr 19 2022, 8:57 AM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project
tonic updated the diff for D122937: Provide the complete response and reporting Code of Conduct documentation. Remove the word draft from all documents, add information about the CoC committee expectations and add a place for transparency reports..

Addressing the reviewer requested changed.

Apr 19 2022, 8:56 AM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project
tonic added a comment to D122937: Provide the complete response and reporting Code of Conduct documentation. Remove the word draft from all documents, add information about the CoC committee expectations and add a place for transparency reports..

I have addressed all the comments or responded why I did not make the change. I will be updating the patch next.

Apr 19 2022, 8:51 AM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project

Apr 1 2022

tonic requested review of D122937: Provide the complete response and reporting Code of Conduct documentation. Remove the word draft from all documents, add information about the CoC committee expectations and add a place for transparency reports..
Apr 1 2022, 1:44 PM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project

Mar 28 2022

tonic added a comment to D115907: [misexpect] Re-implement MisExpect Diagnostics.

This is breaking the docs build with the following warning: "MisExpect.rst:document isn't included in any toctree." By default, docs warnings are treated as errors. Can you fix this?

Mar 28 2022, 10:52 PM · Restricted Project, Restricted Project, Restricted Project

Mar 25 2022

tonic committed rW9ab0a7951929: Add sponsor logos. (authored by tonic).
Add sponsor logos.
Mar 25 2022, 5:31 PM · Restricted Project

Mar 24 2022

tonic committed rW466bf9c948fd: Add starting index page and sponsors. (authored by tonic).
Add starting index page and sponsors.
Mar 24 2022, 2:38 PM · Restricted Project

Mar 21 2022

tonic added a comment to D121614: Add GSOC landing page with instructions for GSOC students..

@nlopes I think we need to better frame the requirement then, ask for CVs (this is always done though) and maybe even organize some kind of interviews? Strongly favouring ones with prior contributions is a good thing IMO

I agree, I interview students these days.

We should incentivize folks with prior contributions, totally (though that's extremely rare). At least a bug fix so we know they can code. Usually fixing some InstCombine/InstSImplify bug is within reach of newbies.

Mar 21 2022, 11:17 AM · Restricted Project

Mar 14 2022

tonic added a comment to D121614: Add GSOC landing page with instructions for GSOC students..

Another idea, would it be ok to link directly to either Discord or Discourse usernames for the mentors? That way it is easer to find or tag people.

Mar 14 2022, 11:17 AM · Restricted Project
tonic added inline comments to D121614: Add GSOC landing page with instructions for GSOC students..
Mar 14 2022, 11:02 AM · Restricted Project
tonic updated the diff for D121614: Add GSOC landing page with instructions for GSOC students..

Adding changes to the Open projects page to remove old GSOC data and link to the landing page. Add a link to a GSOC template

Mar 14 2022, 10:50 AM · Restricted Project
tonic added reviewers for D121614: Add GSOC landing page with instructions for GSOC students.: nlopes, asl.
Mar 14 2022, 9:50 AM · Restricted Project
tonic requested review of D121614: Add GSOC landing page with instructions for GSOC students..
Mar 14 2022, 9:44 AM · Restricted Project

Mar 12 2022

tonic committed rW78f2845ef8ab: Fix link to 2022 US Dev Mtg. (authored by tonic).
Fix link to 2022 US Dev Mtg.
Mar 12 2022, 9:03 AM · Restricted Project
tonic committed rWf02f151e4c00: Remove outdated events. Add links to current dev mtg and placeholder for… (authored by tonic).
Remove outdated events. Add links to current dev mtg and placeholder for…
Mar 12 2022, 8:43 AM · Restricted Project

Mar 8 2022

tonic added a comment to D121078: Replace links to archived mailing lists by links to Discourse forums.

I think we need to retain *some* references to the existing mailing list archives. The migration to Discourse worked fairly well, but there were still data migration issues. For example:

Do you have some prominent places in mind where the archives should be mentioned? For me as someone who just started to get a bit more involved into LLVM, the archives are not very helpful. There is no way to search for threads as far as I know. That means it is very hard to find anything specific. That is why I actually came up with this change in the first place: Getting rid of references to the "old' mailing lists which are just not helpful for beginners.

Oh, I think these changes are *fantastic*, so I'm happy we're updating the stale references to point to the more modern place to go. Thank you for that!

There are ways to search the archives (as Tanya mentioned, you can use a google site search over them), but you have to know they exist to know to do that, which is why I'd like to retain some mention of them until the migration moves over *all* of the historical data. It's not super handy for most folks, so I don't think we need a *prominent* place for this. But it is handy for those of us who have to do a fair amount of historical digging around to see how we came to the conclusions we came to (not a common activity, but it is not uncommon for folks on standards committees to be asked "why does your implementation do X?" and need to go looking).

AFAIK, we have never had link to the archives and instructed people to go search them aside from the link on the Mailman list info page.

This patch removes the links to where the archives can be found. I have instructed people to go search those archives on multiple occasions as part of ISO standards work.

In addition, knowing they exist is also something that was not super obvious to many people who have not used Mailman. I want to avoid adding references to archives in all of these places because it defeats all the work to go and update the locations to have to go back and do it again.

I know you want to avoid all mentions of mailman. I want to avoid losing information that is still relevant for the foreseeable future. The places I want to see updated already list mailman for the commits lists, so I don't agree that my request adds a material burden for the future.

It is also confusing to newcomers to the project.

This is why I suggested using a footnote to make it much more clear that this is a secondary option. Not everyone in the project is a newcomer, but we still need to support them. I'm not at all tied to this solution of using footnotes if you have a suggestion for a less intrusive approach to accomplish the same goal.

I think the least distracting thing we could do would be to put a superscript footnote after any link to a particular discourse forum which goes to an anchor at the bottom of the page to a footnote saying something like what I recommended below. This should keep the focus for most people on going to Discourse, it shouldn't be overly distracting or confusing to people new to the docs, but it still retains useful information that some folks need.

You do not need to worry about this.

In your opinion, that may be true; in mine, this is still a concern.

I don't think its fair to ask this person to be the one to add links to the archives and handle the situation. They are being put in the middle of an argument.

The author changed a bunch of links in good ways but also did so in a way that loses information in a few places that I don't wish to see lost. You disagree. That's fine and is very normal part of patch review. It's not an argument for reviewers to find consensus among themselves when there are disagreements.

Your change is updating the locations people are to ask for help.

The change is also touching Mailing List & Forums content, which are not specifically about asking for help (they can also be for reading instead of writing).

Again, we have never told people to search the archives. There isn't even a "Search" box on the archives.

I ask folks to search the archives. I think Discourse should cover the vast majority of those situations without issue. However, not knowing that we have more complete archives elsewhere does not help those folks for whom the questions are not "it'd be nice to know" but are "I need to know." These are the people I want to continue to support.

I've added comments to the few places I'd like to see a change, which hopefully makes my request more clear. I am carefully trying to avoid adding this extra information to the places we're documenting people to go for discussion; I think those should continue to only point to Discourse. But the places where we have quick links for more useful information are where I think we should retain some unobtrusive mention of the complete archives.

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